BUSINESS SUPERFANS® ADVANTAGE • EPISODE 223
Culture
Revenue Reactor Discipline
Culture
Blocked Growth Addressed
The primary growth blocker is leaders treating employees and contractors as an expense instead of as the people who carry the company's reputation, which weakens customer experience, word of mouth, hiring, and referrals.
Primary Stakeholder
Employees
Additional Stakeholders
Contractors, Complementary Partners, Customers, Suppliers/Vendors, Leadership Team
Primary Topic
People-First Culture and Employee Engagement
DIRECT ANSWER
A people-first culture drives referrals and profit because the employees and contractors who deal with your customers are your reputation. Trust them with real work, correct mistakes in private, act on their ideas, and recognize the small moments in their lives. People who feel valued serve customers better and recommend your company without being asked.
Why This Guest’s Perspective Matters
Sandra Coker has managed restaurant shifts, owned a fitness center for seven years, and now runs Human Power Solutions, where she and 50 contract facilitators build custom workshops in leadership, communication, sales, and client experience for companies. She was at a bank training its tellers on the morning this episode was recorded. Her view of what frontline people need comes from standing in the room with them.
Key Discoveries From This Conversation
Root cause: people get filed under "expense." Sandra's wish for managers, leaders, and owners is that they stop looking at employees "as being an expense or a bother." When someone is stressed or raises a concern, she says, "it's because the person cares and it's because the person wants to do a good job."
Misconception: holding work back protects quality. A manager who won't delegate thinks they are keeping standards high. Sandra says the team hears something else: "Hey, I don't trust you." That lowers confidence and wears people down in the day-to-day job.
Strategic shift: the manager works for the team. Sandra describes her restaurant years as working "with them and for them." Frederick Dudek ties this to his Dale Carnegie management training: a leader is a facilitator whose job is to help the team succeed and to have its back.
Practical method: go to the people doing the job. Executives often decide in a room after hearing from "the next line down," which Sandra says is "not always accurate." Her advice is to "take a walk, have a huddle" and let the people who do the work every day help redesign it.
Business consequence: culture follows people home and into the hiring market. Sandra cites a video in which a CEO of a 450-person company measured the company's success on the divorce rate of its people. Treat people badly and it shows up at their dinner table. Treat them well and, as she puts it, recruitment "becomes less of a problem."
Measurable outcomes, as stated by Sandra: a utility company pilot with field technicians produced higher client satisfaction scores and a sense of pride among the techs; her daughter has brought five or six people into the large financial institution she works for; and Human Power Solutions is a seven-figure business with 98 percent referrals
Your frontline is your reputation. The people who answer the phone, run the service call, or stand at the counter decide what customers think of you, so train and treat them as the professionals they are.
Not delegating reads as distrust. Hand over real work, expect a few mistakes, fix them, and add the missing skill. Sandra's rule is that people learn by trying and thrive when trusted.
Tone and body language set psychological safety. How you correct one person tells everyone else whether it is safe to speak up, so handle mistakes one-to-one.
Ask the people who do the job how to fix it. Take a walk, hold a huddle, and hear it firsthand, because the report that reaches the executive table has already been filtered.
Treat contractors like part of the team. Sandra's 50 contract facilitators get birthday brownies, quarterly cards, a shared online community, and a holiday party, and she wants them to pick her work first.
Be worthy of the talent you want. A company people love working for recruits through its own staff. A company with a poor reputation pays for every hire.
Recommend complementary providers. Sandra sends clients to trusted firms whose services sit beside hers, which makes her one of the client's trusted providers too.
1:11 — From restaurant shifts to Human Power Solutions — Why treating people well became Sandra's operating rule long before she started a company.
5:01 — What Sandra told a room of bank tellers that morning — Why the frontline, and not the executive floor, is the company's reputation.6:59 — Why not delegating says "I don't trust you" — How to hand over real work and let people learn from mistakes.7:43 — Correcting in private versus chastising in public — How one public reprimand sends a whole team to update their résumés.10:16 — Let the people doing the job fix the process — Why executives should take a walk and hold a huddle instead of relying on second-hand reports.12:48 — The CEO who measured success by the divorce rate — How the way you run the workplace follows your people home.16:46 — How Sandra keeps 50 contract facilitators loyal — Birthday brownies, quarterly cards, and a community that makes her their first choice.20:44 — Being worthy of good talent — How a company people love working for turns its own staff into recruiters.30:30 — The utility company pilot with field technicians — How a custom program raised satisfaction scores and gave techs pride in serving their community.33:29 — A seven-figure business on 98 percent referrals — Why recommending complementary providers makes you a trusted provider too.
PUT THIS INTO PRACTICE
This week, take a walk. Pick one frontline role, such as the person who answers the phone, runs the service call, or greets the customer, and spend 20 minutes with the people who do it, without their manager in the room. Ask one question: "What would make this job easier for you to do well?" Write down what you hear, choose one suggestion you can put in place within the month, and when you do, tell the whole team whose idea it was.
Sandra said something to a room of bank tellers on the morning we recorded that every owner should hear: the executives upstairs are not the reputation of the company. The tellers are. I learned the same thing in Dale Carnegie management training. A manager is a facilitator whose job is to help the team succeed and to have their back. What I appreciated most is that Sandra lives it with people who aren't even employees.
She works with 50 contract facilitators, and they get birthday brownies, quarterly cards, a community of their own, and a holiday party at a bowling alley. She wants them to choose her work first, and she says her firm is a seven-figure business built on 98 percent referrals. For service entrepreneurs and SMBs, here is the through-line. Paying an hourly employee for the afternoon so she can sit with a relative in the hospital is cheap money. So is replacing a broken monitor the next day. The little things are really the big things.
The people who receive them tell your story to customers, to recruits, and to everyone they know. A reputation is built from the inside out.
What does Sandra Coker mean when she tells frontline employees they are the reputation of the company?
Sandra Coker means that customers judge a business by the people they actually deal with, not by its executives. She said it to a room of bank tellers, pointing upstairs: "They're not the reputation of the company, you are." Tellers give the advice, make the referrals, and look after clients' money, so she calls them the most important people in the institution.
Why does Sandra Coker say managers who don't delegate are telling their team "I don't trust you"?
Sandra Coker says that when managers and supervisors keep work to themselves, they send their people a message: "I don't trust you to do this work." That lowers confidence and defeats people in their day-to-day jobs. Her advice is to delegate anyway, fix mistakes when they happen, and make sure people get the skills so it doesn't happen again, because people thrive when they are trusted.
How does Sandra Coker keep 50 contract facilitators loyal to Human Power Solutions?
Sandra Coker treats her 50 contract facilitators, each of whom runs their own business, as part of her company. She says they get a birthday brownie, quarterly cards, quarterly meetings, and an online community where they share resources, and at the end of the year she rents a private room at a bowling alley for a holiday dinner. Her aim is that when they choose between clients, they go to HPS first.
How did Human Power Solutions become a seven-figure business on 98 percent referrals?
Sandra Coker says Human Power Solutions is a seven-figure business with 98 percent referrals, and that the firm is only now starting organic marketing. She points to being recommended when she is not in the room, as when a former colleague passed her a utility company project, and to her habit of recommending complementary providers to her clients, which she calls a win for everybody.
Human Power Solutions (HPS) — Sandra Coker's professional development firm, which works with companies as a fractional chief learning officer. hpowersolutions.com
People Profit by Sandra Coker — her book on making work easier for the people who serve your customers. peopleprofitbook.com
"The Crisis in Leadership" — a YouTube video Sandra cites, in which a CEO of a 450-person company measured success on the divorce rate. Human review required: the exact video could not be confirmed; ask Sandra for the link before listing it.
Revenue Reactor — The Intelligent Business Growth System for owner-led service businesses, built on the lessons from every episode of this show plus Frederick Dudek's book and frameworks. Get your free growth score and find out what is holding your business back. No card needed.Creating Business Superfans by Frederick Dudek — the source of the line about people crawling through broken glass for appreciation and recognition.
Dale Carnegie management training — where Frederick Dudek learned to see a manager as a facilitator who helps the team succeed.
Glassdoor — the employer review site Frederick Dudek mentions as the place where negative comments about workplaces pile up.
Human Power Solutions; People Profit by Sandra Coker. No sponsor or approved-partner tools were discussed in this episode.
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Human Power Solutions
Guest Offer
Sandra invites listeners to connect with her on LinkedIn, which she calls the best place to find her, and to pick up her book People Profit at peopleprofitbook.com or on Amazon.
How to Improve Your Bottom Line by Investing in Those Above It
By Sandra Coker
Finding good people is hard. Keeping them is even harder. In today’s competitive landscape, employees are longing for opportunities to develop their skills, take on more responsibilities, and increase their contribution and income. If you aren’t providing ways for them to grow, they’ll soon be working for someone else.
One of the surest ways to improve your bottom line is to invest in the people above it. World-class companies invest in their people, so their people can serve their clients, and produce predictable profits. This often-overlooked formula works every time. Inside People Profit, you’ll learn:
Key Lessons
Why employees are your biggest asset
The difference between a Manager and a Leader (and why it matters)
How to develop career paths for your team
Who your customer really is
What a Leader who serves looks like
Tired of the “talent treadmill”? Looking for a way to grow your business perpetually? Invest a few minutes learning how to do just that using the concepts you’ll discover in People Profit.
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